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billion and in the of fiscal cliff talkings. this is it a number that nides to be addressed. ist tha strong that we end this much money on unemployment benefits. the stupidity of it the guy in the white house had four years to turn it around. he hasn't done it it is idiotic. you have four years and you were begin a man date and why haven't you brought down the rate of unemployment. because they all believe in economics and believe that spending makes everybody happy and makes everybody have a profit. wrong. it is not tha >> they would say they have done something. he passed out all of the unemployment benefits. you say 50 billion it is 520 billion in emergency benefits. that is 520 billion and i don't know not invested in jobs and creating new enterprizeses and redistributed and ultimately destroyed. >> christn, to tracey's point. we have them come on and say they want to hire and they're afraid to hire . it is regulation and other issues. is is behais going to build the other economy. it will create those jobs. >> it is not hap
billion and in the of fiscal cliff talkings. this is it a number that nides to be addressed. ist tha strong that we end this much money on unemployment benefits. the stupidity of it the guy in the white house had four years to turn it around. he hasn't done it it is idiotic. you have four years and you were begin a man date and why haven't you brought down the rate of unemployment. because they all believe in economics and believe that spending makes everybody happy and makes everybody have a...
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cliff -- the real fiscal cliff is national bankruptcy, and its imminent if we don't cut spending and entitlements . obama is a bully, inflection i believe, making demands we can't accept because his demands involve spending increases, no spending reductions, tax increases on two percent of people who won't do anything with revenues. it's totally unacceptable. at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to get a told of this pr machine and paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage. no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage to his reckless spending and cynical refusal to enter the entitlement reform game. >> i don't even want to hear more about taxes. juan, shaking your head. >> i hear you, gentlemen. you guys are wonderful. merry christmas. but sean you said hyperpartisanship, and david talks about inflexibility. you know, and i'm thinking to
cliff -- the real fiscal cliff is national bankruptcy, and its imminent if we don't cut spending and entitlements . obama is a bully, inflection i believe, making demands we can't accept because his demands involve spending increases, no spending reductions, tax increases on two percent of people who won't do anything with revenues. it's totally unacceptable. at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting...
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and that leads you back to the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. and i think this raises the pressure to get a deal done. that's important. and the part of the deal that is actually not being talked about, but which will be central, is the spending side. the sequester is a very bad policy. both sides agree it needs to go away. they have to figure out how. and the tax side has to be matched by entitlement reforms and you can pick 37 if you have the right entitlement reforms but only 36 if you have less and you could get 38 if you have more. there's a lot of work left to be done. >> let's talk about that, robert. on the spending side. do you think that there's any way the democrats get out of this over the next 18 or 24 months without really addressing spending and probably annoying a lot of their base in the process? >> well, the president has already put a lot of spending cuts on the table. let me partially agree with doug. the employment report today was, although it looked pretty encouraging if you look at the numbers underneath the numbers it wa
and that leads you back to the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. and i think this raises the pressure to get a deal done. that's important. and the part of the deal that is actually not being talked about, but which will be central, is the spending side. the sequester is a very bad policy. both sides agree it needs to go away. they have to figure out how. and the tax side has to be matched by entitlement reforms and you can pick 37 if you have the right entitlement reforms but only 36 if you...
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that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was temporary in nature. >> that's not what i asked. i asked what specific would you be willing to do to address what is clearly the number one thing that is going to blow the hole in not only the economy but federal spending, federal budget over the next generation. >> what we have to do is negotiate. everything should be on the table. i think the president indicated that everything would be on the table. the president indicated he is ready to talk about entitlements, et cetera. the other side said we can cannot raise tax hikes at all. we have to make sure that everything is on the table. if everything is
that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was...
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america goes off the fiscal cliff in 25 days triggering massive tax hikes and spending c cuts. >>> no sign of president obama, the first lady, sash has or malia, this year it's all about bo. the card was designed by iowa artist and dog lover lorissa cable. >>> a holiday surprise for some walmart shoppers in south florida. secret santas paid off their layaway bills. >> my layaway is paid? >> yep. the rest of your balance is paid off. >> are you serious? >> yes, very serious. you no longer own a balance. >> tell santa thank you very much! >> an athletic club pitched in $500 which helped six families. several layaway shoppers say they wish they could meet their secret santas to give them a hug and kiss and say thank you. >>> time for your early reads. your local news making national headlines. we begin with tacoma's news tribune which says day one of legalized marijuana was pretty chill. there were no run on doritos, increased in car wrecks, no crazy displays of joy. >>> to florida, the sun sentinel newspaper, florida wildlife officials announcing the 2013 python challenge. it's a huntin
america goes off the fiscal cliff in 25 days triggering massive tax hikes and spending c cuts. >>> no sign of president obama, the first lady, sash has or malia, this year it's all about bo. the card was designed by iowa artist and dog lover lorissa cable. >>> a holiday surprise for some walmart shoppers in south florida. secret santas paid off their layaway bills. >> my layaway is paid? >> yep. the rest of your balance is paid off. >> are you serious?...
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cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing arou
cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of...
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lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you have to be flexible, keep it in cash. how do you divide the 40% not in equities? >> first of all we took a step back and looked how investors allocated portfolio. there is generally 60/40 split between stocks and bonds but 60% predominantly in domestic ex-quits and 40% in high grade economic instruments. david: none is in the cash. >> cash, government relate the ed securities. if you look at 40%, that might have made sense 30 years ago when yields on treasurys were siinificantly higher and inflation was falling for a 30-year time period. if you look at it yields are paltry. what do you need to do? we talk about allocating exposure to higher yi
lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you have to be flexible, keep it in cash. how do you...
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we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one thing you want javier to agree to, to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we need to have the spending cuts. >> give me an example? >> well, it is looking at the spending, entitlement reform, and growth in government. the president is moving in the wrong direction. he proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that's moving us in the wrong direction. >> go ahead and respond. >> how much spending cuts do we want to see? i could tally up for you right now, $3 trillion with the spending cuts that we already enacted in law in the last year and a half. $1 trillion that came from the budget control act that was passed a year ago, that said a trillion dollars has to start coming up now, and that has begun. another trillion dollars which is going to be enacted through the sequester. we still have them. and we can move forward. that's another trillion, 1.2 trillion. let me give you the other 800 billion. we cut -- democrats without a republican vote, $716 billion in -- and we found $716 billion in savings through m
we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one thing you want javier to agree to, to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we need to have the spending cuts. >> give me an example? >> well, it is looking at the spending, entitlement reform, and growth in government. the president is moving in the wrong direction. he proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that's moving us in the wrong direction. >> go ahead and respond. >>...
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that doesn't avoid the fiscal cliff, does it? >> it avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. and most of the cuts in spending, except for defense and the president sees no interest in having a strong defense and we'll litigate that next year and there are opportunities to debate the spending, defense and entitlement issues next year, get the tax issue off the table, the weakest one for the republicans and let the president own it -- >> end with a wimper, not a bang. >> yes, could be. >> chris: there you go, see you next week, don't forget, check out panel plus where our group picks up right with the discussion on our web site, foxnewssunday.com and we'll post the video before noon eastern time and follow us on twitter. @foxnewssunday. this program note: tune into fox news channel tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for "fly me to the moon" anchored by neil cavuto it marks the 40th anniversary of the last time man walked on the lunar surface. up next on "final thoughts." about my best friend. ♪ i'm a conservative investor. i invest in what i know. i turned 65 last week. i'm getting
that doesn't avoid the fiscal cliff, does it? >> it avoids the tax side of the fiscal cliff. and most of the cuts in spending, except for defense and the president sees no interest in having a strong defense and we'll litigate that next year and there are opportunities to debate the spending, defense and entitlement issues next year, get the tax issue off the table, the weakest one for the republicans and let the president own it -- >> end with a wimper, not a bang. >> yes,...
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we may be seeing tiny hints of progress in the fiscal cliff crisis. it's getting quiet on capitol hill. 21 days remain before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in, and congress breaks for the holiday, at least they are scheduled to, on friday. this is what you need to know. the president on the road pitching his tax plan to workers at a truck plant in michigan. house speaker boehner were conducting behind the scenes talks with the white house. and the posturing and finger pointing in washington suddenly stopped. we have more from washington. the sounds of silence may be the sounds of progress? >> potentially. we hope so. we don't really know. we're forced to read the tea leaves essentially, john, because neither side is giving details about the substance of discussions. let me read a statement from john boehner's press secretary. "discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for th
we may be seeing tiny hints of progress in the fiscal cliff crisis. it's getting quiet on capitol hill. 21 days remain before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in, and congress breaks for the holiday, at least they are scheduled to, on friday. this is what you need to know. the president on the road pitching his tax plan to workers at a truck plant in michigan. house speaker boehner were conducting behind the scenes talks with the white house. and the posturing and finger pointing in...
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. >>> president obama picking up the phone to give john boehner a call after both traded fiscal cliff proposals. neither sealed a deal, so we're now 20 days away from almost $500 billion this automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. i sound like a broken record. along with the potential for a new recession. shannon travis is following the deal make. do we know what was in the proposals? >> we're getting details in drips and drabs. the white house has offered according to a source telling cnn to basically revise their revenue target. p president obama originally proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue. he wants to raise the tax rates on the wealthiest americans. now we're being told that he's revised that number down to $1.4 trillion. that's obviously a difference of $200 billion. a democratic aide also telling cnn, i'll read the quote, that offer was coupled with a serious spending cut number with real entitlement reform. so that's from the white house side. on the counterproposal from the republicans, we don't have a lot of details on that, but from boehner's office, republicans are basi
. >>> president obama picking up the phone to give john boehner a call after both traded fiscal cliff proposals. neither sealed a deal, so we're now 20 days away from almost $500 billion this automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. i sound like a broken record. along with the potential for a new recession. shannon travis is following the deal make. do we know what was in the proposals? >> we're getting details in drips and drabs. the white house has offered according to a source...
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. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue.
. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on...
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businesses aren't spending money because of the fiscal cliff. so it's so elusive. it's almost right there. next year could be a good year if we can get some of these uncertainties settled. >> thank you so much, christine. appreciate it. >>> 26 minutes past the hour. >>> without it, a lot of iphone users were lost without it. literally. the app that just made a big comeback. switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver. for a love this strong, his family only feeds him iams. compared to other leading b
businesses aren't spending money because of the fiscal cliff. so it's so elusive. it's almost right there. next year could be a good year if we can get some of these uncertainties settled. >> thank you so much, christine. appreciate it. >>> 26 minutes past the hour. >>> without it, a lot of iphone users were lost without it. literally. the app that just made a big comeback. switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and...
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cliff or whether a deal is reached to avert that, middle class taxes are going up, and so is spending. so there's a lot of cynicism in this process. >> real quick -- >> that's why the president has the edge. >> bottom line, the republicans are poised to take a fall? is that what your numbers show you? >> they are poised to take a hit on this right now. longer term, tim pact will weigh on the obama administration if the economy doesn't recover. >> all right. many thanks, scott rasmussen, appreciate it very much. >> thanks. >>> with just 26 days until we fall off the tax and fiscal cliff, two dozen house republicans have apparently defected from the boehner plan and signed a bipartisan letter with democrats. people are now asking is there a fallback position for the gop? well, here now to tell us is house majority whip california republican kevin mccarthy, the number three man. mr. mccarthy, as always, thank you for coming back on the show. can i get your comment on this letter, two dozen republicans, they're talking about tax rate flexibility along with a bunch of democrats. what's you
cliff or whether a deal is reached to avert that, middle class taxes are going up, and so is spending. so there's a lot of cynicism in this process. >> real quick -- >> that's why the president has the edge. >> bottom line, the republicans are poised to take a fall? is that what your numbers show you? >> they are poised to take a hit on this right now. longer term, tim pact will weigh on the obama administration if the economy doesn't recover. >> all right. many...
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if congress allows the country to go over the fiscal cliff, the effects felt here could be dramatic. first and foremost, there's the rock island arsenal. if congress doesn't act, defense spending will be slashed by 55 billion next year, 450 billion over ten years, which many fear could put the arsenal in jeopardy. established in 1862, the arsenal is home to the army sustainment command, the first army, and the national cemetery. it's also the largest government run military manufacturing facility in the country. the arsenal is the area's largest employer, and though it is not clear how any cuts would impact the installation specifically, the mere prospect has people worried. >> there's approximately 8,000 jobs on arsenal island with various commands located there, and the average salary, not including benefits is about double on the island what it is off island. >> reporter: next, health care, another major employer in the quad cities. if congress doesn't act, medicare reimbursements will initially drop by 2%. trinity medical center in rock island is already budgeting for the fiscal
if congress allows the country to go over the fiscal cliff, the effects felt here could be dramatic. first and foremost, there's the rock island arsenal. if congress doesn't act, defense spending will be slashed by 55 billion next year, 450 billion over ten years, which many fear could put the arsenal in jeopardy. established in 1862, the arsenal is home to the army sustainment command, the first army, and the national cemetery. it's also the largest government run military manufacturing...
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>> they are still trying to reach a resolution in the fiscal cliff talks. it's getting a little heated between president obama and speaker boehner. take a look at what they've been saying to each other. yesterday obama said, quote, if we can get some leadership on the republican side, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. boehner then responded saying, quote, i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of his own. obama responded to that saying, maybe i will. to which boehner replied, maybe i will. and mr. obama replied, stop copying me. so which boehner replied, stop copying me. >> to which obama replied dam infinity. you win for now boehner. >> according to a new poll that just came out, most americans think santa claus is a democrat. which is odd because you think of white, old, fat men that hire unskilled labor, i think republicans. i do. >>> you're in the situation room. happening now, cnn goes in search of syria's chemical weapons. a former regime soldier tells us his or
>> they are still trying to reach a resolution in the fiscal cliff talks. it's getting a little heated between president obama and speaker boehner. take a look at what they've been saying to each other. yesterday obama said, quote, if we can get some leadership on the republican side, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. boehner then responded saying, quote, i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of...
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if obama wants to take the country off the fiscal cliff, they need to go there. they seem afraid of that. do you see that. >> it's clear from the election that the majority of americans essentially voted for european levels of spending. you can't have european levels of spending. we're one percent under canada. there's no difference any more, not in terms of government spending. we're close to norway. we're not quite to sweden yet, but we basically are spending like europeans, but we're not taxed like that. the idea that you can close that gap, i think he figured out if he can make this level of spending permanent, he changes the united states into a european socialism democracy and he'll be the most congress consl president of the last hundred years. >> it seems like we're close. we're right on the edge with all of the predictable results. >> i think you can be spee den if you -- sweden. he's risking ruin on a scale unknown, and of course, the other obvious point is that the youeuropeans are only able to do that because in fact the us army lives in germany and a
if obama wants to take the country off the fiscal cliff, they need to go there. they seem afraid of that. do you see that. >> it's clear from the election that the majority of americans essentially voted for european levels of spending. you can't have european levels of spending. we're one percent under canada. there's no difference any more, not in terms of government spending. we're close to norway. we're not quite to sweden yet, but we basically are spending like europeans, but we're...
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not they're going to come close to coming to some sort of agreement on the fiscal cliff. we can't increase spending. we are trying to rein it in and i am not that worried. there are distributional effects. lot of the lower end retailers, dollars or, drug stores have been big beneficiaries on extended unemployment benefits and their business will likely slow. cheryl: let me ask you something. you brought up the issue of the amount of retail dobbs but those are low-wage jobs. i assume the market does not want to see that. nice to see jobs added but not the right type of jobs. >> that is right. 50% of the jobs that were part of today's report of the low-income variety jobs. hospitality, leisure, retail, temporary jobs. we don't want to see that on wall street. we want to see the high-wage jobs because those are the jobs that will sustain a growing economy. they will be able to buy big-ticket items such as cars, a house, durable-goods. that is what you need to really grow this economy and right now we haven't heard any strategy of washington. all we're hearing about are extra
not they're going to come close to coming to some sort of agreement on the fiscal cliff. we can't increase spending. we are trying to rein it in and i am not that worried. there are distributional effects. lot of the lower end retailers, dollars or, drug stores have been big beneficiaries on extended unemployment benefits and their business will likely slow. cheryl: let me ask you something. you brought up the issue of the amount of retail dobbs but those are low-wage jobs. i assume the market...
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but it's also important to remember that the fiscal cliff isn't only tax rates and spending cuts. the fiscal cliff also includes the nation's agriculture policy, which expires at the end of the year. it includes patches to medicare formulas. patches to social security formulas. so this is a huge mess of issues. we're not even talking about those issues yet. congressional negotiators and the white house aren't talking about these huge host of other issues that are on the table. the thought is if they can get past tax rates and spending cuts, then they will be able to deal with the peripheral issues. but we don't have much time. if a deal isn't reached or a framework isn't reached in the next week or, so it's going to be a big problem. >> all right, thanks for that. good to see you. > >>> nokia -- we'll tell you more when we come back in a few moments. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sal
but it's also important to remember that the fiscal cliff isn't only tax rates and spending cuts. the fiscal cliff also includes the nation's agriculture policy, which expires at the end of the year. it includes patches to medicare formulas. patches to social security formulas. so this is a huge mess of issues. we're not even talking about those issues yet. congressional negotiators and the white house aren't talking about these huge host of other issues that are on the table. the thought is if...
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but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of getting close to it, the president has to be able to pivot and to say how do i turn this political advantage into a real policy accomplishment? and, wolf, i don't think you're going to do that with continued campaign style events like we just saw meeting with middle class families. okay. we get that. that occurred during the campaign. the white house has clearly gotten its message out. i think now there has to be a next step. you know, timing is everything in politics. and this is absolutely no different. what i'm getting from talking to some democrats on the hill is i think there's actually a lot of pen
but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of...
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melissa: for more on the fiscal cliff, let's bring in congressman john carney from capitol hill. i am sure you heard the conversation before you. how close are we getting to solving this problem? >> it was a good characterization of where we are and the analogy with the peanuts characters in some ways appropriate. this is what you can expect with both sides talking about what they want, what they are willing to do and opening positions and moving a little more deliberately or slowly, frankly, to an agreement. melissa: is that movement going on? from the sidelines it looks like everyone sticking to their guns, we are not getting closer to resolution. meanwhile the clock is ticking. >> tremendous movement if you consider the difference from two or three months ago to where we are today where the republican side has considerable revenue on the table. the issue is the increase in rates versus tax reform which is an important item and on the other side, concern about specificity with respect to spending cuts and both need to happen. a number of members are interested in seeing an agre
melissa: for more on the fiscal cliff, let's bring in congressman john carney from capitol hill. i am sure you heard the conversation before you. how close are we getting to solving this problem? >> it was a good characterization of where we are and the analogy with the peanuts characters in some ways appropriate. this is what you can expect with both sides talking about what they want, what they are willing to do and opening positions and moving a little more deliberately or slowly,...
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but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform school. you'll find out what researchers think they have found. that's next. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> researchers may have unkfred shocking new evidence of a mass grave at a now closed florid
but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform...
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the fiscal cliff is all about tax hikes. it is not about the spending cuts. then's a problem because we have sluggish growth and we have a spending problem and 16 trillion in debt and raising those taxes aren't going to fix our problems. i've never heard of taxing our way into prosperity. and so i don't understand why the discussion is centering so much around the hikes and not around cutting the spending, which is what we need to do. stuart: the president actually wants 50 billion in extra spending in the -- charles: he also wants the power to raise the debt willy-nilly whenever he wants. the g.o.p. lost that. they should have drawn that line in the sand a long time ago. it's always been about revenues. boehner's already given in on that. it's just how do we come to that numb number? here's the thing, the president isn't going to listen to anything outside of the oval office. what they are telling him, you have a mandate, you have a decisive victory, pound, pound, pound. stuart: i think he will have a tax increase on the rich, promise of spending cuts -- cha
the fiscal cliff is all about tax hikes. it is not about the spending cuts. then's a problem because we have sluggish growth and we have a spending problem and 16 trillion in debt and raising those taxes aren't going to fix our problems. i've never heard of taxing our way into prosperity. and so i don't understand why the discussion is centering so much around the hikes and not around cutting the spending, which is what we need to do. stuart: the president actually wants 50 billion in extra...
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of course, if we fall off the fiscal cliff, we'll all die, right? actually, taxes will go up for pretty much everybody and automatic spending cuts kick in on knew year's day. the president and the house speaker met face-to-face just yesterday for the first time since the election, but are they talking about it? no. today an aide said the speaker is willing and still waiting for counteroffer from the president. ed henry is live at the white house. i don't know, ed. a meeting happens and nobody says anything. this could be seen as something more good than bad. >> reporter: exactly. because they didn't come out of the meeting beating each other up and saying i'm never going to sign a deal with the other guy. the fact that they're keeping this quiet, hush hush for now in terms of the details of what they discussed suggests that they're hopeful of a deal, although i have to tell you. the president sounded pretty optimistic when he was in michigan about the possibility of us going off the cliff and falling into a second recession. here's what he had to sa
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cliff budget negotiations that as of this hour are still focused entirely on income tax rates. there is much more that congress has to solve than income tax rates including the amt, medicare spending, medicaid, and possibly social security. joining me to talk about the things that congress is not yet talking about but will soon be talking about, joeyç reed and chris hayes. chris, the amt has a deadline to it that is sharper than anything else in here, because these 2012 tax returns going to have to be calculated with either this new version of the amt or the fixed version, and that is the difference between it affects -- it adds tens of millions of people getting bitten by this thing. i know that the insiders are more worried about that actually getting fixed than the cliff at this point. >> yeah. when i started covering capitol hill in washington, there were two things that people talked about, which was the amt patch and the dock fix. everyone is like where are we on the amt fix. they adjust the payments and do this thing with the amt. we were asking early on, is there a wa
cliff budget negotiations that as of this hour are still focused entirely on income tax rates. there is much more that congress has to solve than income tax rates including the amt, medicare spending, medicaid, and possibly social security. joining me to talk about the things that congress is not yet talking about but will soon be talking about, joeyç reed and chris hayes. chris, the amt has a deadline to it that is sharper than anything else in here, because these 2012 tax returns going to...
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dollar now threatening that we will go over the fiscal cliff. there's such a huge disconnect here, there's no backlash really about that, but there's backlash against ceo's speaking out. stuart: i can see that it. you're right, charles, take a victory lap. they've backed off. charles: this is not the kind of thing that you want a victory lap on. it's scary and i first thing you see is 2012 communities service report and the next thing on sustainability and another piece, 100 best companies to work for. you wouldn't know it's a restaurant company. these companies are bending over backwards to appease the media and the white house's agenda. stuarr: all right, charles, a victory lap. and everybody we've got two new at ten stories and both cost a whole lot of money of the first, the department of energy spending 120 million dollars for an electric battery research facility. and how this administration's track record on green energy investments is your money by the way. second, fast fooddchains forced to put calorie counts on their menus under obamac
dollar now threatening that we will go over the fiscal cliff. there's such a huge disconnect here, there's no backlash really about that, but there's backlash against ceo's speaking out. stuart: i can see that it. you're right, charles, take a victory lap. they've backed off. charles: this is not the kind of thing that you want a victory lap on. it's scary and i first thing you see is 2012 communities service report and the next thing on sustainability and another piece, 100 best companies to...
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and tax issues on the table and the so-called cliff, fiscal cliff, he also wants to deal with raising the debt ceiling which caused so much controversy a year and a half ago. take a listen to the president today. >> if congress in any way suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> now, republics may not want to include the debt ceiling extension lifting that ceiling in these negotiations because the ceiling doesn't need to be lifted for a couple more months. if they come back next year and deal with that part of this, they might have more leverage as we get closer and closer to that deadline to force the president into more spending cuts than he wants right now, harris. >> harris: well, editor all those americans wondering and watching rights now, 27 days, how close are we. we heard the speaker say he is waiting to hear back from the white house. i would think that would be in
and tax issues on the table and the so-called cliff, fiscal cliff, he also wants to deal with raising the debt ceiling which caused so much controversy a year and a half ago. take a listen to the president today. >> if congress in any way suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game....
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this thing we call the fiscal cliff is a law that republicans voted for and that the president steered them to vote for. and strategically, he was victorious in that. the theory of this thing was, no one wants it to happen. no one wants anything in this bill to happen. the rates to go up or all the spending cuts. but it turns out that the democrats and the president like more of what would happen on january 1 than republicans. >> do you know who agrees with you? rick santorum. i spoke to him on press pass and this is what he said. and newt gingrich, you respond after you hear this. >> the greatest leverage he has is that he put together a deal with the republicans over a year ago that gives him pretty much what he wants. which is a dramatic -- which is taxes back to the pre-bush rates. so it gets all the tax increases. and he can blame the ones that are not popular on republicans for not negotiating. he gets something that he'll never get in a negotiation. >> the rest of that conversation online, by the way, with rick santorum. newt gingrich? is that why the president and geithner are
this thing we call the fiscal cliff is a law that republicans voted for and that the president steered them to vote for. and strategically, he was victorious in that. the theory of this thing was, no one wants it to happen. no one wants anything in this bill to happen. the rates to go up or all the spending cuts. but it turns out that the democrats and the president like more of what would happen on january 1 than republicans. >> do you know who agrees with you? rick santorum. i spoke to...
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the next thing after fiscal cliff is potential for government shutdown. we're almost over the fiscal cliff and looking at government shutdown. there's no end on short term but long term. >> except for a the rise above stuff you said, marc, you want to marry me? you're absolutely right. i don't like government to do things, everybody getting along, you're so right. there's this huge perception somehow government has always gotten along in america until now. isn't it crazy? it's such a small voice, so few people who think that way. >> exactly. it's a rosy eye'd view at the past. the founding fathers never got along and competed with each other bitterly. >> did you think you would get a marriage proposal on tv this morning? sn>> i will have to consult wit my current wife. >> let meask you something else in the headlines, this news apple may be getting closer to producing an apple tv. your take? does it really happen? >> nobody knows because apple is locked down like a vaulted in the valley. i don't know anything. the assumption of the valley is they will do
the next thing after fiscal cliff is potential for government shutdown. we're almost over the fiscal cliff and looking at government shutdown. there's no end on short term but long term. >> except for a the rise above stuff you said, marc, you want to marry me? you're absolutely right. i don't like government to do things, everybody getting along, you're so right. there's this huge perception somehow government has always gotten along in america until now. isn't it crazy? it's such a...
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. >>> most americans say our leaders will keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff 20 days from now. that's according to a news pal. 51% say president obama and congress will cut a deal to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. john boehner says he still has serious differences with the president after they exchanged new counteroffers apparently and talked on the phone last night. now some house republicans are vowing to work through the holidays to get the deal done. ed henry is live at the white house. that's a motivator i suppose, lose your christmas. >> normally when there is a holiday like that, you're right. this forces them to come to the table. right now they are still pretty far apart. there was a phone call you last night between the president and the speaker. officials on both sides telling me tonight the call was pretty tense because the bottom line is they are still not finding common ground. you listen to the speaker today, jay carney from the white house podium, they're still saying that they're farther apart on both spending cuts and tax increases. take a list
. >>> most americans say our leaders will keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff 20 days from now. that's according to a news pal. 51% say president obama and congress will cut a deal to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. john boehner says he still has serious differences with the president after they exchanged new counteroffers apparently and talked on the phone last night. now some house republicans are vowing to work through the holidays to get the deal done. ed henry...
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. >> will the resolution of the fiscal cliff and even some progress on our long-term problems, knowing that at best we're just putting off austerity, sooner or later it's coming, right? higher taxes and lower government spending, right? you combine that with reinhardt, rogoff and the idea we're in a 2% world all of a sudden, would doing the fiscal cliff make it possible to do 5% or are we just -- we know austerity's coming and we know -- i'm saying we've got a lot of debt -- i'm saying that we are maybe in a new -- we might be in a new normal. is there any reason to think we could do a 4% or 5%? >> nobody wants to take an automatic hit. the number you want to achieve and achieve it quickly, that's one aspect, but no one wants a huge hit, for example, to defense spending. >> do you think we'll get to 7% in unemployment? >> i do. 6.9%. >> even though we're facing the same kind of austerity as europe. >> i think american companies put americans back to work. >> and freeing up the corporate cash will overcome -- >> get rid of the uncertainty. >> why would the cash be freed up? if you are r
. >> will the resolution of the fiscal cliff and even some progress on our long-term problems, knowing that at best we're just putting off austerity, sooner or later it's coming, right? higher taxes and lower government spending, right? you combine that with reinhardt, rogoff and the idea we're in a 2% world all of a sudden, would doing the fiscal cliff make it possible to do 5% or are we just -- we know austerity's coming and we know -- i'm saying we've got a lot of debt -- i'm saying...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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and the fiscal cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to cave to the president now on taxes and keep up the fight on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rate and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> meantime, one influential voice says enough is enough. >> that's like betting your country. there's something terribly bizarre and juvenile about that is to think your party comes ahead of your country. i don't go for that at all. >> that, of course, was alan simpson, the other ha
and the fiscal cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might...
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. >> fiscal cliff, of course, is a complete madeup deadline. >> discretionary spending is 1 trillion, 280 billion. we're 18 billion short of having nothing for the entire government. >> what do you think the best possible outcome could be? >> something like simpson-bowles, and work off that. >> when a deal is announced, if the left and the right aren't angry, there's not a real deal. >> we're back on "squawk." and we've got an update on a very interesting/crazy story. john mcafee, holed up in a miami hotel after his deportation from guatemala. we've been bringing you different aspects of this throughout the past couple of weeks. the anti-virus software founder has been evading authorities in belize who want to question him in connection with the death of a neighbor who was shot, if you remember. mcafee said he did not kill the neighbor. fear for his life if he turned himself in to authorities in belize, he was tweeting and blogging about all this as it was going on. mcafee announced on his website last evening that he arrived in miami's south beach neighborhood. american airlines said
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there's a possibility of some major changes to entitlement spending by the end of these fiscal cliff negotiations. it looks like democratic leaders are right now warming to the idea of raising medicare premiums for wealthier people. you in the past have been somewhat outspoken in terms of your opposition to the idea of altering entitlements in a dramatic way. are you changing your tune? >> no. however, i will say this. we have taken seriously the fact that we have an obligation to our seniors, that medicare has worked for millions, almost 450 million americans, seniors mostly but disabled. and we want to start the discussion about medicare with the promise we are going to keep medicare and find a way to contain the rate of growth in costs under medicare and all health care been helpful. >> sure. >> but we'll meet that obligation to our seniors. that's where i think we start. >> it sounds like you are open to the idea, then, of some tweaks to medicare, to some tweaks to entitlements for revenue. >> my conditions are -- and i think this is true for most democrats -- is that we maintain
there's a possibility of some major changes to entitlement spending by the end of these fiscal cliff negotiations. it looks like democratic leaders are right now warming to the idea of raising medicare premiums for wealthier people. you in the past have been somewhat outspoken in terms of your opposition to the idea of altering entitlements in a dramatic way. are you changing your tune? >> no. however, i will say this. we have taken seriously the fact that we have an obligation to our...
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jim, a reasonable proposal for the fiscal cliff? modest proposal. i've read things like that before. >> i'm talking about the -- look, did i mention once the tax increase? >> no. >> i'm going for quick spending cuts. because we just -- we agreed to give the rich people that deal two years ago, we added a trillion and then another trillion. i don't know why a republican ever agreed to that. i'm trying to figure out -- >> it wasn't -- >> who the heck -- >> wasn't because of the 2%. >> because it kept -- >> it kept the deal from happening. >> by given the -- added 2 trillion to the deficit. i hated that. try to find out how to cut that deficit now. not the future. >> we've got a lot more 20 come this morning. >> thanks, guys. crazy conversation. we'll see where it goes. comments, questions about anything you see on "squawk," tweet us @squawkcnbc. coming up, holiday central. the ceo of phillips v-van heuse. >> who? phillips-van heusen joining us on the set. he's dressed head to toe in calvin klein and he's here with one of his company's largest sharehol
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the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> gretchen: so with both sides still hung up over tax hikes and spending cuts, can they come it a consensus in time to avert going off the cliff? let's ask texas congressman jeb hensarling who joins me live this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning. how are you? >> gretchen: doing just fine, thank you so much. it's interesting because it appears from john boehner that the president isn't budging on the spending cuts. yet i want to point you in the direction of a new fox news poll that came out this morning that said that if there are tax increases, should the president also budge on spending cuts? you want to know how many people said yes? 89%. your thoughts. >> well, i'm gratified by that because the truth is america is facing a debt crisis. under president obama, we've accumulated more debt in four years than in the previous 200. we're borrowing roughly 40 cents on the dollar, much of it from the chinese. sending the bill
the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> gretchen: so with both sides still hung up over tax hikes and spending cuts, can they come it a consensus in time to avert going off the cliff? let's ask texas congressman jeb hensarling who joins me live this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning. how are you? >> gretchen: doing just fine, thank you so much. it's...